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Creationist Ham Claims Fossil Is Proof Humans And Dinosaurs Lived Together

To most of you who have probably grown up with the belief that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago and that humans have only recently come into existence, this claim may seem a little far fetched. Creationist Ken Ham is claiming that an Allosaurus fossil that the Creation Museum is going to put on display will prove that human lived right alongside dinosaurs only a few short thousand years ago. Ham claims that the great Biblical flood took place a little more than 4,000 years ago, which wiped out the dinosaurs at that time. His whole claim has traditional scientists metaphorically standing around and scratching their heads.

Creationist Ham Claims Fossil Is Proof Humans And Dinosaurs Lived Together

Creationist Ham Allosaurus

Image from ALarryRoss

An Allosaurus fossil dug up in Colorado more than 10 years ago is becoming the center piece of a new exhibit at the Creation Museum, where it is going to be used as an example to explain how the events described in Genesis can be explained using dinosaur fossils. Ken Ham, founder of the Creation Museum, is hoping that those who view the exhibit will come to understand that the Biblical flood that supposedly took place only a few thousand years ago had wiped out the dinosaurs, and that only those creatures saved by Noah escaped the flood.

There is some evidence that in ancient times there was a flood across much of the surface of the Earth, but that is rarely (if ever) attributed to the mass extinction of the dinosaurs. Most scientists believe that the dinosaurs lived millions upon millions of years ago, and that humans only more recently came into existence in the past million or less years. This would mean that based on the conventionally accepted scientific model, that humans could not have ever co-existed with the dinosaurs that we find fossils of today. There are no human fossils that date back to the age of the dinosaurs, and in fact there are very few humanoid fossils that have ever been recovered. The lack of an established fossil records for humans and other similar humanoids makes it hard to substantiate claims that we have evolved over time from some sort of lesser being.

The lack of evidence for human existence in the far ancient past is commonly used as proof by mainstream creationists, who paint a picture of much younger life on this planet. Rather than the planet being billions of years old, and having been inhabited by creatures millions of years into our past, the creationists take their inspiration straight from the Bible. According to the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament, God created man, and we all descended from him. Historians have done a fairly accurate job using biblical records and other data to point towards a date only about 4,000 to 5,000 years ago when Adam supposedly was created. This information would mean that humans did not evolve from other humanoid creatures tens or hundreds of thousands of years ago, but rather just sprang up as God created us.

The most commonly taught and believed view of live on Earth does not evolve from the Bible anymore, and has taken its notes from mainstream science and doctrine. While a fossil of an Allosaurus may be proof that a giant dinosaur once roamed the Earth, it is probably going to take a lot more than that to convince visitors that humans hunted them for food more than 4,000 year ago.

Creationist Ham Claims Fossil Is Proof Humans And Dinosaurs Lived Together.

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  • LiberalGilt

    It would be interesting to see how he connects the dots.
    But why do you have to go on and on about scientists not believing in the Bible? Every time you write a story about evolution so you write that creationists say it’s bunk?

  • james george

    there’s things I don’t agree with ham on and i’m not sure about the proof he’s claiming now, but there have been dinosaurs in historical times. I’m opening myself up to a lot of ridicule for saying so but I tell it the way I see it. there is more documentation for dinosaurs in relatively recent times than there is for many historically accepted people and events.the circumstantial evidence is very strong for any inquisitive, open minded person who is willing to do the research and who is sharp enough to separate strong evidence from fantasy.

    • John Carter

      Yeah, and orcs too. And balrogs.

      • Jarlsbane

        John Carter: How are things on Barsoom?

    • NSAfilter_inc9

      OK.
      What is this documentation that you speak of?

    • Jarlsbane

      Ditto! On what do you base the statement, “there have been dinosaurs in historical times”? What is this “documentation”? An In Search Of knock-off video on YouTube?
      If you recall, they never actually found the dinosaur . . . nor Nessie, ghosts, aliens, cryptids, or anything else they looked for.

      • james george

        I’ve never watched “in search of”. and it’s not my job to educate people. the evidence is there if you want to research it. if not, then you’re certainly entitled to your beliefs.

        • Scott Mendelson

          Recently, the olinguito was described as a new species of mammal. There was a lot on the web about it, and even on national TV. It was big news. If there was evidence of a living or even recent dinosaur, this would be followed up as avidly as if there was a new gold rush in the California hills. There hasn’t been any such thing. No one believes this nonsense. Why do you profess such an absurd belief. Pure, unadulterated baloney, or, perhaps ham.

          • james george

            i said historical times, not yesterday i don’t know if there are any dinosaurs today or not, probably not. there is much evidence for them in the not so distant past.

          • Poop Smith

            Like what? enlighten us.

          • james george

            it’s not my place to enlighten you. you can do the research just like I did.

          • Poop Smith

            you fool. hoarding information that would supposedly break the foundation of science is not only irresponsible, it leads me, and anyone else using lgoic, to conclude that you are full of bull hockey.

          • james george

            too lazy to do your own research, you’ll believe anything these athiests tell you. you named yourself right “poop.” and I’m not hoarding information. it’s there for anyone to access.

          • inverse137

            The sad and pathetic part is that I think you believe you are actually “winning” the debate.

          • james george

            I’m not trying to win anything. I was just putting my ideas out there. it’s still a free country isn’t it?

          • BubblesGump

            No.

          • Buzzby19491

            Without supporting evidence, your “ideas” are simply your opinions. Your refusal to share your sources tells me that you don’t have any.

          • BubblesGump

            I am not an atheist. Nice flavor of the week word to augment your distraction. You are aware that Pope Benedict announced the Catholic Church had no problem with evolution nor the big bang and saw no conflict with the bible nor his belief in God. Add to that the Episcopal, Presbyterian, Methodist and Lutheran and you’re in a small minority.

          • james george

            you don’t know what you are bubbles. identity crisis. apparently the above mentioned people don’t either.

          • Poop Smith

            I’m not too “lazy” to do research, but when you don’t even give a hint as to where to start looking for this mystical evidence that dinosaurs and humans existed together, there’s no reason to take you seriously.

            As inverse said, you have the argumentative attitude of a child. Seriously? making fun of people’s handles is how you judge someone’s mental faculty? I could make fun of you for having two first names too if I wanted to.

            So where is this “documentation”? give one link, and I’ll go reasearch off of it.

          • inverse137

            My 4-year old uses the same advanced argumentative skills: “If you don’t know I’m not going to tell you…neiner neiner neiner….”

          • BubblesGump

            Really?? I did better than that, I called my brother-in-law who has a BS in mathematics and his Doctorate in Theology and is currently a minister. He had no response and was dumbfounded by your assertions.

          • james george

            well your brother in law is entitled to his opinion but if he’s dumbfounded by anything I’ve said and he calls himself a minister of GOD then he needs to get his head into the bible and learn something.

          • Buzzby19491

            Are you citing the bible as your source for dinosaurs living in historical times? Is your real name Ham?

          • BubblesGump

            No there isn’t.

    • atunionbob

      What proof do you refer to? There is NONE!

  • redeemed626

    It’s easy to understand why some would feel so much anger and embarrassment that fully grown, if not fully matured, adults are filling their children’s head full of such nonsense. Sure, we have the right to worship as we see fit and to instruct our children in matters of faith, but there are limits even in matters of faith.

    This fraudulent museum is the height of hypocrisy. It does a disservice to Christians everywhere by making a mockery of well accepted scientific principles that are in no way a threat to Christianity. In fact, Christians were part of the scientific revolutions that helped us come to understand that it was wrong to punish someone for claiming that the Earth revolved around the sun. The Creation Museum is exactly the same type of error.

    Who really believes that God requires us to turn a blind eye to obvious truths? God is not a liar.

    By demanding the literal interpretation of portions of scripture which were written as a history that covered thousands of years, these charlatans prevent people from seeing that their are genuine truths in the Bible that can have a considerable spiritual impact upon the life of the believer. I’m totally offended that these liars are suggesting I must abandon my faith if i accept the likely truth that all life on earth evolved from very simple common origins.

    The part that makes it incredible for the deniers is there total lack of understanding of the concept of deep time. For people who talk so much about the eternal, you would think they could understand how such transformations have taken place over incredible periods of time.

    The entirety of recorded human history, going back perhaps 10,000 years, was preceded by spans of tens of million of years in which other hominids walked this earth. They are all extinct now, but many species survived a lot longer than the 150,000 or so years that our species has staked a claim on the planet.

    Keep in mind that the folks who call religion a fairy tale are in the exact same category as the literalist theologians who believe science should always bend to the word of God. Both groups of people are responding to something they don’t understand by denying its existence.

    Like most problems confronting us today, the answer cannot be found on either extreme.

    • james george

      I’m not questioning your faith but how do you know what parts of the bible to throw out and which ones to keep? the bible very clearly is not compatible with evolution. do you have more faith in an atheistic doctrine which by the way has never been remotely proven than you do GOD’s word?

      • atunionbob

        Throw it all out…not one thing can be proven in the bible. The only thing believers say is that “the bible says so”. Just like my Bat man comic says that Bat man is real.

      • BubblesGump

        You are aware that the original committee that put the bible together did just that. The sticking point was including the old testament since Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus (the new testament). They also determined the chronology regardless of when a chapter might have been written. And yes, they threw out other writings. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that all was not included.

        • OpenMinded

          A lot was thrown out when the roman emperor constantine created his accepted version of the bible. Many books that conflicted with what he believed were not used.

  • Jg Wollaston

    The Laws of Thermodynamics do not appear in the bible. There are no laws about electricity. Mendeleev’s periodic chart is not there. There is nothing about physics, chemistry, metallurgy, biology, or any science in that collection of stories. The bible did nothing to advance the thinking of the human race. It is an ancient book of stories, written by ancient people who knew nothing about the universe, nothing about how matter is put together. They did not know that the brain was a brain, nor did they know that the heart pumped blood.

    Science, by definition, requires the test-ability of theory, and when experiment demonstrates that theory is wrong, theory is modified or thrown out.

    The bible is a creed, not subject to testing, because nothing is every thrown out. The pretense that the bible can be used for science, that the bible can tell the modern world anything useful, is silly.

    Unfortunately, there are billions of people — literally billions — for whom the concept of science is not fathomable. Be a christian, fine, it’s a free country. But you cannot be a christian and a scientist. Or, if you are, then you have to set aside the part of your religion that touches on your science.

    • james george

      many scientific laws and principles were mentioned in the bible hundreds and even thousands of years before scientists discovered them. some of these references were vague because the bible is not meant to be a textbook of science but they are there nonetheless. the laws of thermodynamics are just two of these.

      • Roger Telstar

        Nonsense.

      • inverse137

        @james, no. they don’t.

        All give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are mistaken rather than calling you a liar.

        • james george

          I’m not lying and am not mistaken. people can ignore or deny these references all they want but they won’t go away.

          • inverse137

            And….yet you still don’t post a single reference that would prove your point.

            Hmm, most people would have thought of that one first….

          • BubblesGump

            Apparently, you won’t either. Provide the references and the edition of the bible or get lost.

          • james george

            I have on other sites and found that it’s not about logic or truth to most evolutionists who are mostly atheistic. it’s about rejection of GOD no matter what the evidence. you probably would either reject or not recognize the truth if it hit you in the face. it takes a while to gather the evidence and put it on here, but it’s there for all you people who claim to be truth seekers. take the time to enlighten yourself “bubbles”. you’ll be glad you did.

          • BubblesGump

            Show me now. I’m an engineer and would love to review your findings. I am far more enlightened than a cretin like yourself. Tell me all about rejecting the truth Obi Wan Kenobi.

          • james george

            enlightened people don’t feel threatened by those with a different viewpoint and start hurling insults at the drop of a hat. and you being an engineer is really not that impressive. I have yet to meet an engineer with common sense and I’ve had to work with many of them.

          • Poop Smith

            For claiming that the “enlightened” don’t throw insults at the drop of a hat you’ve been doing a good job of it.

          • blurbadam

            James, stop reading others posts, they will only infuriate you. go deep into the heart of yourself, and think about why you belive that the Bible is true. one of two things will happen, either you will realise that like many humans you must feel a sense of sprituality to function correctly, and Christianity is the one you happened upon, i encourage you to become agnostic and then to start again and explore your own faith, rather than joining a community of people with a long history of promoting what is definitely garbage from a book of what is most likely pure fiction (with a slim chance that its actually just really vague). or secondly, you may find that you are not one of the people who needs religion as a crutch, but are actually only beliving it because of an indoctrination in your life, in which case you know deep down that you have little reason for your belifs which is why you are so defensive about them, however at the end of the day you cannot defend them from yourself, and you will only live a scientifically enlightened life if you question your own belifs as every man should do. It is this questioning which generates true confidence in ones belifs and results in the deplorable yet completely understandable agression you probably recive from others everywhere you post.

          • fan_boy

            Please post one of these references. Thanks.

      • BubblesGump

        Bull!! Please provide references and the bible your quoting.

      • Brian D Shaw

        Yep it does. Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north (darkness) over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Not bad for a camel rider to describe space. Not even having a telescope.

        Job_38:29 and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
        God asking job a question. Ever look at a ice crystal? It has male and female parts that help it form. Coming from a a dude without a microscope and , seemingly no knowledge of ice formation, not bad.

        • Brian D Shaw

          there is much more.

        • blurbadam

          are you serious, monkeys with type writers could create more clear scientific references if they had a whole book to write. I am writing this reply at this point for the others reading, as you are clearly to blind to even consider any alternative explination, and are buried in conformation bias. i am curious if you would honour me with a serious reply: when and how did you become so indocrinated with these beliefs you hold, why do you hold them. but to further the discussion with others who are not Brian, as you are all clearly aware, this is complete garbage, take for example his second point, the frost of heaven (which we know is entirely terrestrial) has no gender, although it could be metaphorically described as such given its two parts, looking at it on one level. but that is one level, on another level god is asking why are ice crystals long pointy and male. after all he never says bi gendered. so that statement is so vague i can make his metaphoric use of gender match up with two different metaphores of gender used by either a common person or scientists. perhaps artists think of ice crystals as female, and belive god here is asking why is heavenely frost so pretty. literally any of the three possible interpretations can be put on this, so lining one up with science means quite literally nothing. sorry for rambling, i cant be bothered explaining this clearly to the blind

    • BubblesGump

      The bible was not intended to be all things. It’s history, philosophy and a way for humanity to live together.

      • Thin-ice

        You’re what I call a “Bible cherry-picker”: keep the bits you like, discard or “interpret” the bits you don’t. The OT God who orders genocide, infanticide, incest, misogyny, homophobia, racism, slavery and xenophobia is carefully cleansed by people like you, careful that your children don’t read those parts, and sanitized for general consumption.

        • Brian D Shaw

          you are what i call “A biblically illiterate person.” The incest you speak, I am assuming, Is that which took place before the law of moses.” In which case there was no incest. Yes the children of Adam and Eve married one another. Their DNA held all the genetic information needed for all groups of peoples. Not until the time of moses, when many of the genetic tracers of different groups were bred out, did the Commandment come. After which incest was dangerous to man as species. Just like german shepherds being interbred to such an extent that their pelvis has problems. Deformity occurs. Infanticides were done by peeps worshipping other gods such as Moloch or bail. Convenient killings. Much like modern day abortions. God brought judgement on Israel for it. Or it was done by the Egyptian kings against the Hebrews. Also was done when Jesus was born in an attempt for the Evil King Herod to save his thrown from the birth of a King. Yes God told the Jews to slay several groups of people for these self same practices of murdering their children Or for attacking the Hebrew people as they traveled. Not the men but the women and children they attacked. Much like the Muslim terrorists do. With all that said , before you go spouting generalities about things you obviously know little, do a hole lot more study rather than listening to atheistic garbage can rhetoric.

          • Thin-ice

            I’ve never read such a load of steaming bullshit. Made my day.

          • blurbadam

            I love how Brian called your comment rhetoric. Brian allow me to respond to your unneeded insult. the story you just told was what you get if a 10 year old writes a fanatasy story, and then you make a different 10 year old with no understanding of science read a small article on the biology of humans, and give him a list of words he does not understand which he must insert into the first piece. then when he complains that he does not know what they even mean, you just tell him: thats okay, you are only writting this so that grown ups can laugh at it.

          • Calvin M

            Interbreeding is interbreeding, whether it comes before or after Moses. The idea that our DNA suddenly changed after Moses appeared is downright stupid, it doesn’t work that way. Nor does anything in the Bible hint at it. This comes from a fevered brain stupefied by listening to TV preachers and people hawking cheap and sensational pamphlets to the ignorant and mentally disturbed.

      • spuddicusmaximus

        If you’re saying that the Bible is a historical document as in it’s importance, I can fully agree with you on that matter. If you’re saying it’s 100% accurate of historical events, I’m afraid you and I have come across a bit of a problem.

        • Brian D Shaw

          As far as history goes it accurately gave account of the king of babylon being Nebakanezer. Archeologists and historians denied that he existed until they they dug up bricks that had his name on them. Accurately names Cyrus, the king of the medopressian empire about 150 years before he was even born. Calls him by name. He overthrows babylon which took Israel captive. Yes it has history in it.

          • spuddicusmaximus

            I think you’ve misinterpreted my original comment. I wasn’t saying that the Bible does not have any historical references. I’m saying that it’s not 100% historically accurate. While what you stated is history, you’re neglecting to mention historical inaccuracies in the Bible, such as the four hundred year slavery of the Israelites in Egypt and the subsequent Exodus, a world-wide flood, Methuselah living to 970 years of age etc. Just because the Bible has some references to historical figures and places, that does not therefore validate the entire Bible. That is what I’m getting at.

          • Robert David

            watch patterns of evidence , the exodus…

    • angelsinca

      “But you cannot be a christian and a scientist.”

      If you understood Christianity like you do Science, you wouldn’t have to make ridiculous statements like this.

      • Brian D Shaw

        that is so right.

        • blurbadam

          sure you can be religious, and a scientist. there is no science which demonstrates a god does not exist, but given the context of this article, the point is that you cannot be christian and a scientist is pretty well made. of course by that same logic, nobody can be a scientist perfectly because we all have our social biases, but a good scientist aims to be reflexivly aware of their bias and minimise it, unless you put aside the parts of your science that touch religon, no scientist could ever take the literal claims of bible seriously.

      • Calvin M

        Science is about truth. Christianity is about magic friends. What’s so hard to understand?

    • spuddicusmaximus

      Your comment is just ignorant. Extremely ignorant.

      • Thin-ice

        Sorry spuddi, but Wollaston is spot on. To be a geniune scientist, one MUST ignore parts of their religion.

        • spuddicusmaximus

          Yeah, sorry about that. I saw, “You can’t be a Christian and a scientist at the same time,” but I didn’t register that there was more to Jg’s comment.

    • Josh Cline

      The Bible predicted the Higgs-Boson God Particle “In [Jesus Christ] all things consist and have their being.” In Science, order in the universe can not come from disorder, yet we see order throughout the cosmos and on Earth. In Science, the energy in a Closed Environment is constant, yet we see energy diminishing constantly. Whenever there is an explosion, there is less matter and energy than before, yet we are to believe that a “dot smaller than the period on this page” was spinning and suddenly exploded into the billions of galaxies, trillions of stars, and undiscovered numbers of planets, and went out at an exponential rate of speed in random directions spinning in different directions; and btw where did this “dot” come from? There are zero instances of Transition fossils. The dating methods used by science are completely inaccurate, and the way scientists determine which dating method to use is dependent on a model of circular reasoning, where they assume rock layers are in the same order all over the world, and that if they ‘know’ how old a rock layer is, they can decide what method to date the fossil; but they use ‘index’ fossils to date rock layers. The Moon is slowly distancing from the Earth, but if you go back millions or billions of years, the Moon is either touching or nearly so for millions of years, which would cause huge Tidal waves always in the oceans. Scientists have recreated the Primordial Earth in a controlled environment, yet have never been able to get life to form, indeed, leading scientists at Harvard and other prestigeous universities openly do not believe in evolution from primates, but instead, in a published book, claim we evolved on the backs of rock crystals, since they give natural randomness to new crystals = they’re Mad Scientists for sure. – Yet in all this, one can not find God with their intellect, but must find Him with their heart, and then you will find Him with your intellect. Christianity does not limit Science, but by not believing in God, Science is limited, as you can not search out the spiritual things in life, and after life is over, what will this life have mattered? Maybe you have kids, are famous, or have money, but you will be gone, and if you do not teach God, your family will share the same fate. Are you dust to dust? Or is there life after this? If you do not believe in God, but find out when you die that there is one, then you are in big trouble. Yet if I believe there is a God, but when I die and there is not (yet I know Jesus well), it will not have mattered what my life had been. You can take nothing from this world with you. I encourage you to just say out loud “God, if you are real, please show me.” If there is no God, it will not matter what you have said, but I know you will find Him that way. I will pray for you.

      • Calvin M

        To paraphrase Blazing Saddles: “Now who can argue with that?” “Not only was it authentic Christian gibberish, but it expressed an ignorance not often seen in these parts.”

    • Disqus-ed

      Newton himself is quoted as saying,
      “Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who
      set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is
      or can be done … to bad you weren’t around to straighten him out.

  • Lazlo57

    It’s funny how people interpret the bible, then say it’s not a interpretation. It’s a logical deduction based on the facts. It just happens to fit their conviction.

    • Thin-ice

      “Interpret”? The Bible itself puts this out there as fact. Nowhere is there a qualifier saying “this is allegorical only” about the Garden of Eden, Noah’s Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Joshua’s Long Day (when the “sun stood still”) Balaams Talking Donkey, or any other story.

      • BubblesGump

        Irrelevant. The bible is subject to interpretation and this has been well established for hundreds of years. Get a clue.

        • Thin-ice

          Bullshit. A hundred million Americans, probably more, regard the Bible stories as literally true (they’re called Young Earth Creationists), and to them it is NOT subject to interpretation. They are dumbing down this country (as evidenced by this very article), and if you care about the education of America’s children, you would care about this.

          • angelsinca

            BS. ‘one hundred million’ YEC’s? fantasy time.

    • atunionbob

      The only “Facts” they have is the bible.

  • http://tklist.net/?p=478 TKList

    Ken Ham is completely delusional. I feel sorry for those who have any faith in his nonsense.

    • Jarlsbane

      Mr. Ham is a common, everyday, garden-verity religious charlatan. They have been around since the dawn of man. He is exploiting the beliefs of a group of well meaning, but deluded people, for his own personal financial gain.
      Like the Calf. preacher who made a good living for 50 years, periodically predicting the end of the world. The fact that he’d been wrong dozens of times, didn’t slow down new book sales (He’s write another after every failure. With excuses like, God changed his mind; or, I forgot to carry the 2.)
      Ney was foolish to debate Ham. Who did he think he was going to win over? All Ham had to do was look smug & self assured, & periodically point to the Bible. The Love Offerings have poured in!

  • Jarlsbane

    People seem to have a basic ‘need’ to be lied to, & to believe in things that both history & common sense prove don’t exist.
    For example, every couple of years someone swears they’ve found an honest politician. There’s a flurry of reported sightings. Of course, It always turns out to be false.

  • Buzzby19491

    The fact that a male human has more DNA in common with a male chimpanzee than he does with a female human certainly points to a close ancestral relationship. Science deniers are trying to turn this country into an intellectual backwater.

    • inverse137

      trying? They’ve succeeded. The best engineers and scientist come from India now.

  • Scott Mendelson

    The author says, “Most scientists believe that the dinosaurs lived millions upon millions of years ago, and that humans only more recently came into existence in the past million or less years.” It is not “most”, it is almost every, with the rarest exceptions of scientists who also happen to be lunatics.

    • BubblesGump

      A simple understanding of physics as applied to the MANY radiometric dating techniques would dismiss the Creationists concerns about dating, assuming their minds aren’t closed. Do they really think scientists worldwide over decades have conspired to discredit the bible?

  • Thin-ice

    1) Why do you even give this whacko any coverage at all? Do you plan any articles soon on the flat-earthers as well?

    2) “it is probably going to take a lot more than that to convince visitors that humans hunted them for food more than 4,000 year ago.” Not so in America, where there are still millions of ignorant fools who believe this stuff. Europeans and Asians laugh at us.

    • inverse137

      Becasue it is a nice fun break from all the serious news articles.

  • disqus_GS46e5I0h0

    but noah saved all the animals. try this- all the fossils are naturally occurring rock formations. i thought that one up myself. i hope it helps.

    • inverse137

      I thought the fossils were the discarded “chicken” bones of ancient giant alien picnicers.

  • http://hardkhora.blogspot.com/ Nas

    “The lack of an established fossil records for humans and other similar humanoids makes it hard to substantiate claims that we have evolved over time from some sort of lesser being.” That is a slant, because to the established science community it isn’t seen that way. It isn’t clearly defined how Ham is proving the date of the fossils, but it would be interesting to know how that dating method is different than methods he speaks out against.

    • james george

      there’s no definitive proof for ham’s view but there isn’t for evolution either.

      • http://hardkhora.blogspot.com/ Nas

        I wasn’t talking about proof, I just meant that it was slanted because from the majority’s perspective there isn’t a lack, but it would be correct if the writer had said: To creationists there is a lack of an established fossil records for humans and other similar humanoids, which for them makes it hard to substantiate claims that we have evolved over time from some sort of lesser being.
        In any case, I would be interested to know what his findings are exactly.

        • james george

          I’ve read a little of ham’s work. he’s much more thoughtful and correct on some points than evolutionists would care to admit but I don’t agree with all his assertions. I think henry morris is a better read. I believe the earth is older than 6,000 years and nowhere in the bible is that taught. and if you believe what the bible teaches you can’t believe in evolution. that’s not to say you can’t be a Christian and accept evolution. there’s only one thing that makes a person a Christian or not and it has nothing to do with evolution. however if you are a Christian you’re more likely to believe what GOD says than believe in an unproven scientific theory.

          • http://hardkhora.blogspot.com/ Nas

            I agree that evolution and the bible can’t agree, and that believing or not believing in evolution isn’t a part of being a Christian.

          • BubblesGump

            Ham has a mental disorder and a closed mind. Therefore, he can NOT be thoughtful nor correct. Pope Benedict stated he saw no conflict in evolution and the big bang with his believe in God. I would imagine he’s read the bible, wouldn’t you.

          • james george

            you can believe in GOD and accept evolution and the big bang. however these beliefs are at odds with what the bible says. pope benedict is a good man. he has a right to his beliefs but he’s mistaken.

          • BubblesGump

            Really oh gifted one? Pontifical Council for Culture President Gianfranco Ravasi reiterated that evolutionary theory was ”not incompatible” with the teachings of the Catholic Church and the Bible. Cardinal Paul Poupard, Monsignor Ravasi’s predecessor as head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said that Genesis and Darwin’s theory of evolution were “perfectly compatible” if the Bible was read “correctly”. The real message of Genesis was that “the universe didn’t make itself and had a creator” he said. This pretty well fits the discourse of the mainstream churches. We outnumber the YEC’s and fundamentalists, vastly. We’re all wrong? The only time I was aware that science and the bible/religion were in conflict was when I moved to the South. I object to my spiritual beliefs being equated to being a nutjob fundamentalist, which is starting to happen.

          • Gary Menten

            Clearly you don’t understand the meaning of scientific theory. Sigh….

          • james george

            I understand that te falsehood of evolution is a fairy tale for grownups.

          • Gary Menten

            Sigh….

      • BubblesGump

        Wrong.

      • Thin-ice

        James George, you are completely and totally ignorant of how much evidence there is for evolution. As most creationists are, so no surprise there.

        • james george

          it takes much more faith to believe in evolution than it does for intelligent design.

          • Thin-ice

            Your reply proves you know nothing about evolution. Ignorance suits you.

          • james george

            we both have our faiths. good luck.

  • Charlie Gough

    Ham is a terrible fantasy story author. There aren’t any dragons, elves, faeries, goblins or orcs in his stories and the bad guys are normal humans he calls “atheists” that don’t have superpowers and don’t have any kind of sinister plan.

    I’d rather watch the Lord of the Rings again… a movie about walking… a lot…

    • Daniella

      Just listened to Modest Mouse lampshades on Fire on the radio…but honestly though some of these songs you could take the good lyrics and make the tune tons better and more melodic.

      Ham tastes great when its from Denmark…

  • BubblesGump

    Really?? Where is the dating of the bones by a respected reliable lab? Is the info repeatable? What about input from respected reliable paleo-geologists as to the dating of the surroundings and the dynamics of the depositional environment? Where are the stories & drawings, bible or otherwise, telling of the dinosaurs and man walking the earth together. With carnivorous giants in the fold, where are the horror tales of being hunted or eaten by these monsters? Also there is NO evidence of a massive worldwide flood having ever occurred. As to the fossil records, there is almost a nice linear progression from primitive to modern man. Is everything in between there? No. That would be impossible and actually unnecessary. This is the biggest fraud perpetrated by the Creationists to date. Ken Ham has a degenerative mental disorder. The media needs to stop giving these nutjobs a forum.

    • Thin-ice

      bubblesgump: I apologize for some comments below reacting to what appeared to be your defense of the Bible and it’s interpretation. We both seem to be on the same “side”. However, you seem to grant the Bible more respect than I do (I used to be a missionary, with a degree in theology, before I gave up belief in any supernatural being about 5 years ago.) I am much more passionate about fighting against these biblical literalists, and maybe commented too hastily.

      • james george

        you’re an apostate then? the bible says about people like you that it would have been better for you had you never been born. and no matter how much you deny HIM, that is your CREATOR speaking about you. your “passion” about trying to prove your CREATOR is a liar is pathetic and sad.

        • Thin-ice

          If I believed your God existed, I would give him my middle finger. But as he doesn’t, I would just be tilting at windmills.

          • james george

            you’re on thin ice alright. I would strongly urge you to get on your knees and try to get forgiveness before you enter eternity. my GOD does exist as you know he does.

          • Thin-ice

            Thanks James. I just got on my knees and repented, now I’m ready for eternity. Whew, just missed Hell by the skin of my teeth. All the evidence you just presented for the existence of God must have convinced me, eh? Oh, and I also now believe the earth is 6,000 years old, and Adam and Eve frolicked with dinosaurs. How could I have been sucked in by all that science stuff before I got saved in the knick of time, eh? Now, tell me where your church is, so I can show up on Sunday and thank you in person!

          • Brian D Shaw

            Lol so God got you pissed at him? Lol. “If i believed your God existed, Id give him the middle finger.” Obviously you still do, you are soooo passionate about hating him right now. Lol, this is typical of religious folks. What he didn’t dance for you when you played the pipe for him? He didn’t perform the way you think he should have? Things didnt work out like you planned on the mission field? Sure , one day you had an epiphany….God doesnt exist! Angry, thats all you are.

          • Thin-ice

            Brian, you don’t read well, do you? I’m not angry at Santa Claus, because he doesn’t exist. I’m not angry at the Christian God, because he doesn’t exist. Period. You’re the angry one. You’re mad at me because an ex-brother in Christ doesn’t believe any more. And no doubt you’ll say, “He [I] was never a true believer, because if he was he couldn’t have de-converted.” Which means you’re an extreme Calvinist who believes there is no human free will, that your God has pre-destined everything to happen a certain way. Whatever fantasy you want to believe is fine by me, as long as it makes you happy.

  • Jim Mcgann

    Why don’t we go to the nearest insane asylum and debate the inmates ?

  • nastyolbstrd

    Special kinda stupid. Not repairable with Duct Tape or Super Glue.

  • GClyde

    At least “flat earthers” are fun and amusing with their tongue-in-cheek humor. This guy is neither. He lives in his own delusional world of cognitive dissonance. Let him rant and rave over fossilization that only takes a few thousand years to occur. Let him make a total embarrassment of himself. He is only persuasive with his ignorant, weak-mind devotees.

  • David Platts

    My educational background in radioactive dating appears presumptuous. Otherwise, we have a darn good idea as to the age of many things by using scientific factually-based investigation. Well, the commercial must be right. Some have nuts and some don’t.

  • Kevin Reilly

    I get all my historical education through the history channel and they said that man got a time machine from outer space God some two million years ago and that the aliens killed off the dinosaurs to make life easier for us.

    Get your facts straight dammit.

  • Gary Menten

    Ham is not in the business of science; he is the business of running an amusement park with a biblical theme for which he requires a constant supply of gullible suckers willing to part with their money and visit his exhibits. These have as much scientific validity a carnival freak show.

  • Gary Menten

    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

    Carl Sagan

  • Disqus-ed

    “There is no historical evidence outside of the Bible, no mention of Moses outside the
    Bible, and no independent confirmation that Moses ever existed.”
    —Dr. Michael D. Coogan,
    lecturer on the Old Testament at Harvard Divinity School

    No Moses No Old testament… its a myth historical-ized.

    “We cannot be sure that Moses ever lived because there are no traces of his earthly existence
    outside of tradition.”

    —Egyptologist Dr. Jan Assmann,
    Moses the Egyptian (2)

    “The life of Moses contains elements—canonical and apocryphal—that mark him as a true mythic
    hero, and certainly he is Judaism’s greatest hero and the central figure in Hebrew mythology.”

    —Dr. David Leeming, The Oxford Companion to World Mythology (270)

    “…the stories of the creation, of the flood, of Abraham, of Jacob, of the descent into and the
    exodus from Egypt, of the career of Moses and the Jews in the desert, of Joshua and his soldiers, of the judges and
    their clients, are all apocryphal, and were fabricated at a late period of Jewish history.”

    —Dr. Thomas Inman, Ancient Faiths and Modern (5)

  • Calvin M

    The idea that the Earth is only a few thousand years old comes form two sources and neither one come directly from the Bible. Early Christian scholars using various methods to trace the creation through Biblical accounts came up with different dates, most of them around 5 to 6 thousand years. In the 19th Century one bishop even calculated the date of creation based upon his calculation of Biblical events. Nowhere in the Bible does it give the date of creation. The second source for dating the age of the Earth and planets comes from 18th and 19th Century natural philosophers, what we call scientists today. Because they had no knowledge of the atom and the nuclear energy that powers the Sun, they believed that its heat must come from some flammable material such as wood or coal. Based upon their calculations of the size of the Sun, which were grossly inaccurate, they believed that it could have been burning only a few thousand years or it would have been consumed. The Bible does not require Christians to believe that the Earth is 6 thousand years old, not that anybody with half a brain would believe that, anyway..

  • Pard

    In Isaiah 40:22 God’s Word states that the earth is round. We could have found America hundreds of years earlier if we would have believed it.

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